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Tackle Acoustic Guitar Mix Problems While Keeping Your Inner Hulk Away

Topics: mixing guitars, Mixing Skills By: Chris Huff May 14, 2012

Have you ever wanted to “go all Hulk” on an acoustic guitar by smashing it into tiny pieces? Ever had a time when every change you made to a guitar’s EQ only made it sound worse? Let’s look at the possible reasons for your frustration and what you can do to get the sound you want.

There are three reasons for a bad sound coming from an acoustic guitar.

1. Bad strings.

Guitar strings wear out. Once they go bad, you can’t get a good sound from them. There isn’t much you can do with your mix for that day. However, you can talk with the musician and let them know they need new strings. Every 3 months or every 30,000 strums.

2. Poor quality pick-ups or poor pick-up location.

Acoustic guitars which have built-in electronic pick-ups or have pick-up’s that were installed after purchase can be a reason for a bad sound. You can pay $100 for an after-market acoustic guitar pick-up and you can spend a lot more. There is a difference in the quality of sound. And, there isn’t much YOU can do when it’s a lesser-quality device.

When it comes to “self-installed” pick-up’s, a variety of problems can occur. The problem is that musician’s are cheap. That might not be a good way of saying it. I’ll phrase it this way…given the availability of small pick-ups, low prices, and a variety of youtube videos, a guitarist can install electronic pick-up’s easily and in-expensively. How do they sound? I’ve hear the good and the bad. These pick-up’s are installed by gluing or taping them under the bridge, inside the body of the acoustic guitar, and then wiring them to a plug.*

*I’ll tell you a secret. I’ve got a guitar like that. It sounds great with a bit of EQ’ing.

If you have an acoustic guitar that sounds good one week and then you can’t EQ it to save your life the next week, talk with the musician about it. It’s possible one of the internal pick-up’s have fallen off. They likely installed two or three so when one isn’t picking up the required sounds, you are losing a lot of frequencies in your channel.

3. Bad on-board EQ settings.

This is an easy one to overlook and a perfect example of how you need to thinkĀ outside-of-the-box. An acoustic guitar, with an on-board EQ, should send you a great sounding signal, right? You’ve got all the functionality directly at the source. You’d think by the time it comes to you; you’d have a great sound.

I’ve seen acoustic on-board EQ’s with the frequency bands all set at zero, pushed all the way down, and pushed all the way up. The issue is the musicians are likely only playing plugged in during their time at the church. As far as they are concerned, there isn’t much of a reason to mess with their on-board EQ. Yet, if the frequency bands are incorrectly set, then you’ve got a bad sound you’ll find impossible to fix.

The easy answer to this problem is asking the guitarist to set all of their frequency bands to the zero mark. This means the frequency band is being neither cut nor boosted. Now you have a decent baseline sound to start your mixing.

But let’s not leave it there

Let’s look closer at the on-board EQ controls of an acoustic guitar. As you can see in this picture, there are controls for;

  • Power
  • Volume
  • Phase
  • Notch
  • Low
  • Mid
  • High
  • Tuner Controls

Let’s focus on controls central to the topic; Phase, Notch, Low, Mid, and High.

Phase

This control reverses the phase of the signal. In a loud enough situation, the top of the guitar can be affected by the house speaker volume.

Notch

This particular guitar EQ has a notch filter for removing feedback. While feedback control is something you can perform on the mixer, in this case, the musician can take a role in eliminating it. By sweeping the feedback filter around, once they hit the frequency that is feeding back, the notch filter will cut the frequencies around that narrow area…no more feedback.

Low EQ

The low, as well and the mid and high frequency bands, are going to be defined a bit differently from one piece of equipment to another. However, good averages are used here and are good enough for your needs.

In this particular case, the low EQ gives you a control of +/- 9dB at 80 Hz.

Mid EQ

The mid-range EQ gives you a control of +5 and -9 dB at 1 kHz. I know, I know, even *I’m* wondering “why more range in cutting than boosting?” I’d wager a few guesses but I’d rather move on.

High EQ

The high EQ gives you a control of +/- 12dB based around an unknown frequency point. Honestly, I’ve read through the manual and it doesn’t say. Most likely, we are looking at the 10 kHz range.

Using this information

Let’s say you are getting a bad sound from the guitar and it’s not the strings and it’s not a poor pick-up. At this point, it’s time to talk with the guitarist. Follow these steps;

  1. Ask the guitarist to set all the EQ controls (high, mid, low) to zero.
  2. Have them strum a few chords and listen to the sound. It should be better or not change.
  3. Ask them to engage the Phase button.
  4. Have them strum a few chords. If you don’t hear a change, have them dis-engage the phase button.

At this point, you should be able to get a good mix from their guitar. If you feel a bit adventurous (and you have the time), before making any EQ changes on your end, listen to their guitar and ask them to make EQ changes on the guitar. You might get a better sound if they made it on their end instead of if you made it on your end. Or at least they can give you a better baseline sound from their guitar.

The Take-Away

Instruments sound a certain way for a certain reason. Doesn’t assume the bad sound you are hearing from an acoustic guitar is a bad sound you’ll always have to hear. Do what you can to fix the sound at the source during the sound check. Whatever problem still exists, well, you can talk with the guitarist after the church service. And if you have a guitarist who refuses to put new strings on their guitar, I have a pair of wire cutters you can borrow.

  • Check out this great resource on Mixing Acoustic Guitar.

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  5. Brian Taylor says

    May 24, 2012 at 5:25 pm

    It seems a lot of built in acoustic guitar EQs, especially the “cheaper” varieties, are more of a generic EQ, like what you have on a mixing console. Not bad for a lot of situations, but not the best for acoustic guitar! What I have found helpful is to have an extra “acoustic guitar specific” EQ to use. Enter the L.R. Baggs Para acoustic DI box. It will require you and your guitar player to spend some time working on getting the best possible sound, but it is worth it! Our acoustic sounds 10x as good as mixing through the board alone.

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    • Chris says

      May 24, 2012 at 5:37 pm

      I use an LR Baggs myself. LOVE IT!

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  6. james fisher says

    May 17, 2012 at 7:25 pm

    Check the quality of the Guitar too.

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  8. Brian says

    May 14, 2012 at 5:33 pm

    Chris, one another thing worth checking when troubleshooting acoustic guitar sound issues is to ensure that the battery for the pickup is new. A lot of times muddy sound is caused by the battery not having been replaced in over a month.

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